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	<title>Comments on: Why do the poor vote against their interests?</title>
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	<description>Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium.</description>
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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/21/why-do-the-poor-vote-against-their-interests/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it. One of the good things Howard did during his time in executive was to make Centrelink a far less viable long term option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it. One of the good things Howard did during his time in executive was to make Centrelink a far less viable long term option.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/21/why-do-the-poor-vote-against-their-interests/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to see the ultimate in welfare dependency, have a &lt;a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=541598&#38;in_page_id=1770" rel="nofollow"&gt;read of this&lt;/a&gt;, KG from Crusader Rabbit emailed it to me. I need to get the blood pressure down before i post it. I just hope it ain't that bad here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see the ultimate in welfare dependency, have a <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=541598&amp;in_page_id=1770" rel="nofollow">read of this</a>, KG from Crusader Rabbit emailed it to me. I need to get the blood pressure down before i post it. I just hope it ain&#8217;t that bad here.</p>
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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/21/why-do-the-poor-vote-against-their-interests/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, cheers for the links, it looks an interesting read. I couldn't agree more with both of you about how much of a disincentive welfare is. It is a support system designed to help only those who do not wish to progress their life. Of course, I suppose some form of a disability pension and perhaps voucher welfare is required.

On cars, I think this very modern 'safety' approach, demanding obscene amounts of energy and resources to become licensed is at least partly a ruse of the environmentalist movement. The reduction of the amount of cars on the road has always been on the agenda. Naturally, that reduction was always going to be amongst the poor. 

I'm not sure privatising roads is the go though, if only from the experience of rail gauges. I don't particularly fancy passing six tolls when traveling from town to town, nor do I like the idea of trying to grasp a completely new set of road rules depending on where I go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, cheers for the links, it looks an interesting read. I couldn&#8217;t agree more with both of you about how much of a disincentive welfare is. It is a support system designed to help only those who do not wish to progress their life. Of course, I suppose some form of a disability pension and perhaps voucher welfare is required.</p>
<p>On cars, I think this very modern &#8217;safety&#8217; approach, demanding obscene amounts of energy and resources to become licensed is at least partly a ruse of the environmentalist movement. The reduction of the amount of cars on the road has always been on the agenda. Naturally, that reduction was always going to be amongst the poor. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure privatising roads is the go though, if only from the experience of rail gauges. I don&#8217;t particularly fancy passing six tolls when traveling from town to town, nor do I like the idea of trying to grasp a completely new set of road rules depending on where I go.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/21/why-do-the-poor-vote-against-their-interests/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 03:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have good point about getting a license, if you don't have a car and family members who are willing to assist, then you're basically screwed. And you can't drive without a license. When you think about the way the roads are designed, those running our country don't really want you to have a license, or own a car, because that gives you freedom, to go and do what you like. They don't like that.

I remember a long time ago reading a study done in the states which found that car ownership is the easiest way to get people out of poverty. But our left-leaning governments do whatever they can to make life hard for you if you want a license or want to own a car. Taxes, tolls, crap roads, tunnels, it's all geared to make it difficult for you.

Coming back to the poor and politics, in my opinion those who claim to care for the poor are often the exact opposite. Welfare is all well and good when you have nothing and want to be nothing more than a parasite. But in this country, when you start working harder than the parasite, you work extra hours, take a second or third job and bring in more money, you get penalized via higher taxation and reduced welfare.

I'm not on a high tax bracket but i have a second job, it really pisses me off when i have to pay extra in tax, i mean it's not like my second job involves steal things and flogging them off, i work for it, but i get punished for working extra. It's a disincentive for people like me to work extra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have good point about getting a license, if you don&#8217;t have a car and family members who are willing to assist, then you&#8217;re basically screwed. And you can&#8217;t drive without a license. When you think about the way the roads are designed, those running our country don&#8217;t really want you to have a license, or own a car, because that gives you freedom, to go and do what you like. They don&#8217;t like that.</p>
<p>I remember a long time ago reading a study done in the states which found that car ownership is the easiest way to get people out of poverty. But our left-leaning governments do whatever they can to make life hard for you if you want a license or want to own a car. Taxes, tolls, crap roads, tunnels, it&#8217;s all geared to make it difficult for you.</p>
<p>Coming back to the poor and politics, in my opinion those who claim to care for the poor are often the exact opposite. Welfare is all well and good when you have nothing and want to be nothing more than a parasite. But in this country, when you start working harder than the parasite, you work extra hours, take a second or third job and bring in more money, you get penalized via higher taxation and reduced welfare.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not on a high tax bracket but i have a second job, it really pisses me off when i have to pay extra in tax, i mean it&#8217;s not like my second job involves steal things and flogging them off, i work for it, but i get punished for working extra. It&#8217;s a disincentive for people like me to work extra.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah! The link to Healing Our World shouldn't have a full stop on the end... it's http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah! The link to Healing Our World shouldn&#8217;t have a full stop on the end&#8230; it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/21/why-do-the-poor-vote-against-their-interests/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting article Seb. Mary Ruwart's book 'Healing Our World' has a great chapter on how regulations, licensing and the minimum wage break the bottom rungs of the ladder of affluence which poor people need to escape poverty. You can read it at http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc.html.

Unfortunately many poor people &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; get on welfare and this could be just as detrimental as all the regulations. It creates disincentives for people to get work or change their lifestyle. I think the best example of this is in remote indigenous communities where there are frequently employment opportunities offered (by government, unfortunately, as there isn't any potential for real jobs out there) but men will not take them because they have a guaranteed income from welfare which doesn't involve lifting a finger. This leads to substance abuse from boredom and breakdown of families.

As for drivers licenses: I recently finished getting my license and it was incredibly frustrating how long it took: over 2 years due to difficulty finding time between studying and working. Luckily I had people willing to lie about driving with me to make the 50 hour requirement or else it would have taken much longer. The whole process cost me at least $1,500. My honest suggestion: find a corrupt driving instructor and bribe him - it'll be cheaper and much less of a hassle.

By the way... imagine how different things would be if roads were privately owned. The owners would want potential customers using their service as quickly as possible so getting licensed would be quick and painless. But with the government monopoly on roads (and licensing) they have no incentive to provide people with mobility so I predict getting a license will continue to get harder and more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting article Seb. Mary Ruwart&#8217;s book &#8216;Healing Our World&#8217; has a great chapter on how regulations, licensing and the minimum wage break the bottom rungs of the ladder of affluence which poor people need to escape poverty. You can read it at <a href="http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc.html</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately many poor people <i>do</i> get on welfare and this could be just as detrimental as all the regulations. It creates disincentives for people to get work or change their lifestyle. I think the best example of this is in remote indigenous communities where there are frequently employment opportunities offered (by government, unfortunately, as there isn&#8217;t any potential for real jobs out there) but men will not take them because they have a guaranteed income from welfare which doesn&#8217;t involve lifting a finger. This leads to substance abuse from boredom and breakdown of families.</p>
<p>As for drivers licenses: I recently finished getting my license and it was incredibly frustrating how long it took: over 2 years due to difficulty finding time between studying and working. Luckily I had people willing to lie about driving with me to make the 50 hour requirement or else it would have taken much longer. The whole process cost me at least $1,500. My honest suggestion: find a corrupt driving instructor and bribe him - it&#8217;ll be cheaper and much less of a hassle.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230; imagine how different things would be if roads were privately owned. The owners would want potential customers using their service as quickly as possible so getting licensed would be quick and painless. But with the government monopoly on roads (and licensing) they have no incentive to provide people with mobility so I predict getting a license will continue to get harder and more expensive.</p>
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