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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/27/i-questioned-multiculturalism/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't be so sure, I tend to be very clear about my beliefs when I am discussing a controversial issue. I would hope they consider me a skeptic before a conservative.

I will have to check out Victor Davis Hanson as I have had some difficulty finding intelligent arguments against multiculturalism to analyse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so sure, I tend to be very clear about my beliefs when I am discussing a controversial issue. I would hope they consider me a skeptic before a conservative.</p>
<p>I will have to check out Victor Davis Hanson as I have had some difficulty finding intelligent arguments against multiculturalism to analyse.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/27/i-questioned-multiculturalism/#comment-83</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I certainly do not consider myself a conservative..."

Sorry, but i think your fellow students probably consider you just that now.

"My dream is freedom of speech."

As you experienced, some free speech is less equal to lefties.

Steyn never struck me as an ultra-conservative, just a guy who talks a lot of sense and says it damn well. If you like read a bit by Victor Davis Hanson, he's also not into multiculturalism and he's a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I certainly do not consider myself a conservative&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but i think your fellow students probably consider you just that now.</p>
<p>&#8220;My dream is freedom of speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>As you experienced, some free speech is less equal to lefties.</p>
<p>Steyn never struck me as an ultra-conservative, just a guy who talks a lot of sense and says it damn well. If you like read a bit by Victor Davis Hanson, he&#8217;s also not into multiculturalism and he&#8217;s a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/27/i-questioned-multiculturalism/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I think for me the principal argument for multiculturalism is an emotional. My instinct is to support it as that is what my inner moral compass dictates. Perhaps I am a little biased on the issue as my parents were immigrants from communist Poland, so had they not come here, I would likely be in London right now (I know, I know, cheap shot).

Silliness aside however, I can see a valid argument in that if migration to western countries becomes the primary goal for successful foreigners, improvement in their homelands simply will not happen. Who is to say that a successful Australian immigrant could not have become a great leader for change in their homeland?

Aside from that however I instinctively believe that a persons fortunes in life should not be defined or limited by the country they are born in. I find such an argument a little hypocritical considering many Englishman came to Australia and the US as freemen in search of a new better land.

To be clear however, I certainly have not decided as to my position on this concept so I could never pretend to have a solution to the many issues surrounding it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I think for me the principal argument for multiculturalism is an emotional. My instinct is to support it as that is what my inner moral compass dictates. Perhaps I am a little biased on the issue as my parents were immigrants from communist Poland, so had they not come here, I would likely be in London right now (I know, I know, cheap shot).</p>
<p>Silliness aside however, I can see a valid argument in that if migration to western countries becomes the primary goal for successful foreigners, improvement in their homelands simply will not happen. Who is to say that a successful Australian immigrant could not have become a great leader for change in their homeland?</p>
<p>Aside from that however I instinctively believe that a persons fortunes in life should not be defined or limited by the country they are born in. I find such an argument a little hypocritical considering many Englishman came to Australia and the US as freemen in search of a new better land.</p>
<p>To be clear however, I certainly have not decided as to my position on this concept so I could never pretend to have a solution to the many issues surrounding it.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://libertywhinge.com/2008/03/27/i-questioned-multiculturalism/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time, ask a supporter of multiculturalism if he or she would point you to an academic study proving its benefits. You might assume that in leftist dominated universities the shelves would be creaking with thousands of reports demonstrating beyond all reasonable doubt the merits of multiculturalism. In fact, there aren't any (although some have tried http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Putnam ). If there were we would all know about them.

Instead, the 'benefits' must be taken on faith. On questioning, the diversity fanatics usually start with the popularity of foreign cuisine before rapidly thinning out into feeble references to 'dance' and 'clothing'.

'Music' and 'literature' are sometimes cited as other benefits, but neither of these require a society to be multicultural. You can access all the music and books you like, either from bookshops or over the internet. You can read Shakespeare or listen to Elvis without them moving in next door.

If you're lucky, you might get some waffle about the Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme being a 'triumph' of multiculturalism, and how all the diverse people put aside their differences to work together. But surely this really means it was actually a triumph in spite of multiculturalism - not because of it. They overcame an obstacle that would not have existed in an homogeneous workforce. Otherwise, you'd have to explain specifically how all the different cultures were essential to it working, and how, say, an homogeneous workforce of Chinese would have failed.

When it becomes apparent that pro-multiculturalist is losing the argument it will descend into a "you racist, nazi, fascist" etc, etc. Why someone who insults and hates me that much would want to 'bless' me with multiculturalism is something I've never understood. Surely this 'miracle' should be imposed on poorer nations first? And if it was such a good thing, then why are the most culturally diverse areas of the western suburbs inhabited by the poorest people? Why aren't millionaires like Pete Garrett, Philip Adams and Paul Keating beating a path to Bankstown or Blacktown?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time, ask a supporter of multiculturalism if he or she would point you to an academic study proving its benefits. You might assume that in leftist dominated universities the shelves would be creaking with thousands of reports demonstrating beyond all reasonable doubt the merits of multiculturalism. In fact, there aren&#8217;t any (although some have tried <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Putnam" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Putnam</a> ). If there were we would all know about them.</p>
<p>Instead, the &#8216;benefits&#8217; must be taken on faith. On questioning, the diversity fanatics usually start with the popularity of foreign cuisine before rapidly thinning out into feeble references to &#8216;dance&#8217; and &#8216;clothing&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8216;Music&#8217; and &#8216;literature&#8217; are sometimes cited as other benefits, but neither of these require a society to be multicultural. You can access all the music and books you like, either from bookshops or over the internet. You can read Shakespeare or listen to Elvis without them moving in next door.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re lucky, you might get some waffle about the Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme being a &#8216;triumph&#8217; of multiculturalism, and how all the diverse people put aside their differences to work together. But surely this really means it was actually a triumph in spite of multiculturalism - not because of it. They overcame an obstacle that would not have existed in an homogeneous workforce. Otherwise, you&#8217;d have to explain specifically how all the different cultures were essential to it working, and how, say, an homogeneous workforce of Chinese would have failed.</p>
<p>When it becomes apparent that pro-multiculturalist is losing the argument it will descend into a &#8220;you racist, nazi, fascist&#8221; etc, etc. Why someone who insults and hates me that much would want to &#8216;bless&#8217; me with multiculturalism is something I&#8217;ve never understood. Surely this &#8216;miracle&#8217; should be imposed on poorer nations first? And if it was such a good thing, then why are the most culturally diverse areas of the western suburbs inhabited by the poorest people? Why aren&#8217;t millionaires like Pete Garrett, Philip Adams and Paul Keating beating a path to Bankstown or Blacktown?</p>
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